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Post by waterdragon on Dec 16, 2004 10:11:50 GMT -5
Hey all,
with Pooka starting her shed (finally) I am cursious as to what constitutes 'bad shedding'?
Ok so I have a general question about water dragons or any reptile for that matter. Is there such thing as a 'bad shedding'? I searched the web for a bit and the only reference I could find for 'bad shedding' was when some of it was retained on tail tips, toes etc and cut off circulation eventually or encouraged the growth of harmful bacteria. So, what can you all tell me of this phenomenon of 'bad shedding' ? Is this just a piss poor excuse given by some pet shops as to why an animal died because they have no idea what killed it or is this a viable ailment? Thanks for the help on this one guys (and gals)
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Post by elizabeth on Dec 16, 2004 16:23:54 GMT -5
The only thing I have ever been told or read in shedding that I suppose you consider bad is that they can get tempermental or decide not to eat for a bit while they get ready to shed... As well as watching for the shed to come off all the spikes and toes and off the tail... I have never really heard the term bad shed... Was someone refering to something specific that made a shed bad?? I have always seen the shedding as a good thing since it is a sign of growth... My experience is in iguanas not in other reptiles but I have not heard of a "bad shed" in regards to other reptiles either...
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Post by waterdragon on Dec 16, 2004 17:30:19 GMT -5
A member of another forum cited the reason for a curly tail lizards death was "a bad shed". I have researched and my findings indictae that the term "bad shed" as a cause of death is a cop out for the most part. A bad shed is just what has been outlined some retained shed in certain places can lead to circulation or infectiosn problems which can ultimately kill a reptile but the shed is not a direct cause its exiting enviromental issues or husbandry issues.
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Post by skjonnhet on Dec 16, 2004 17:53:45 GMT -5
There is a thing as a bad shed. A bad shed happens when there is not enough moisture. It can cause them to lose toes and tails by their circulation being cut off. I have heard of them dying from a bad shed b/c the body wouldn't shed and it constricted the lungs.
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Post by elizabeth on Dec 16, 2004 19:10:54 GMT -5
so it sounds from that answer it is a lack of proper care if they don't have enough moisture... but yeah the whole constricting thing is what they are getting at when they say a "bad shed"
I know I check all the spikes and toes of my iggys and that is a lot of little toes lately to be checking on but I don't want to deal with the other problems
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Post by skjonnhet on Dec 16, 2004 19:31:36 GMT -5
Well, I got some bad news today. Petco has a 1 week old water dragon that is dying b/c she can not shed and they are doing everything possible. The water dragon is getting moisture and they are giving her massages to try and help the skin break,but no such luck yet. They are also trying some shed-aid stuff and it is not working. These people are doing everything they can,but nothing is working. They are all just hoping that she will shed soon and they are keeping up with what they are doing. They are not giving up on her.
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Post by skjonnhet on Dec 16, 2004 19:33:18 GMT -5
The only thing the people can think of is that there is something wrong in her genes because she has plenty of moisture and she has no parasites.
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Post by elizabeth on Dec 16, 2004 22:57:35 GMT -5
that is very sad to hear... I do hope she pulls through... now I wonder with something like that if anyone knows once it takes hold of them if they don't shed is it reversable?? Or if by the time it is noticed they are too far in trouble to be helped even with added moisture and whatever they can do... Just curious... Now is it possible that softening the skin with say baby oil like they give as a suggestion for shed that is built up or particularly stuck in some areas might help??
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Post by waterdragon on Dec 17, 2004 9:09:30 GMT -5
that is very sad to hear... I do hope she pulls through... now I wonder with something like that if anyone knows once it takes hold of them if they don't shed is it reversable?? Or if by the time it is noticed they are too far in trouble to be helped even with added moisture and whatever they can do... Just curious... Now is it possible that softening the skin with say baby oil like they give as a suggestion for shed that is built up or particularly stuck in some areas might help?? I have seen a mite treatment for fine scaled lizards that calls for mineral oil so I could see oils working for that. On another I got Pooka very, very young (no more then 3 weeks old I am guessing) and this is the first time she has shed (I had her since September 1st) so I do not think that would cause death to a baby water dragon or else mine would have been in pretty bad shape going almost 4 whole months with no shedding. My guess is there is likely a genetic problem that is causeing it to decline. |
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Post by skjonnhet on Dec 22, 2004 17:01:51 GMT -5
I have good news on the baby water dragon at petco. The workers kept putting some shed-aid on her and giving her massages so she is coming around. She is no moving. They expect her to shed anyday now.
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Post by elizabeth on Dec 22, 2004 20:48:30 GMT -5
well that is really great to know thank you for updating us
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Post by DaremoAlpha on Dec 25, 2004 8:31:13 GMT -5
Just a warning Pooka... once the first shed is finished , they never stop after that hahahaha once they start growing the skin just seems to be everywhere from that point on  |
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Post by zekey on Dec 31, 2004 4:46:37 GMT -5
Hi everyone! Now, I don't consider myself an expert by any means, but through my experience with my CWD (nearly 2 years), BD (5 years), & 2 Leo's (nearly 2 years), there has been alot of skin shed around this place & we have never experienced a "bad shed". They all have pools large enough to fit their bodies (not the bd of course!) the Leo's have moist hides, they are all misted daily, have soaking time in the bath tub several times per week and daily during sheds. I keep "Shed-Ease" on hand at all times just in case & I keep a close eye on their toes, spikes & tails.
I'm happy that the little guy is pulling out of it at the pet store, but it they were that worried, why didn't they take him to the vet???
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Post by skjonnhet on Dec 31, 2004 9:31:22 GMT -5
They did take him to the vet, and thats when the vet said to monitor him and keep his skin moist. See, the pet store has a vet office in there and it turns out the vet that was hired doesn't know alot about reptiles so the store is on the search for another vet. The vet already there just knows how to run test on them.
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Post by Patrick Kubeja on Jan 2, 2005 20:10:39 GMT -5
Hey skjonnhet
Were Are you At? Maybe I can help you find a good Herp vet for them. I believe if your going to deal with reptiles you should have a good Herp vet…
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