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Post by reptilianmaster on Nov 5, 2005 11:38:06 GMT -5
i respect your decision steven and by the look of your avatar i see a healthy dragon so i have no qualms about it but i was just expressing my opinion,i don't force it down everyones throat saying ''do it my way else you are wrong'' i feed mine the occassional mouse as a treat as i stated to all of you as i like to give my dragons variety i did not come here for an arguement or anything like that but it seems my opinion isn't being taken seriously particularly the inclusion of herbivirious large lizards such as the green iguana which is irrelevant to this topic as its bearded dragons and if people feed theirs rodents much fool them,they are putting their animals health at risk its probably because i have never heard of impaction to do with mice as a primarily rodent diet affects the organs such as the liver and kidneys but when did i actually said i feed mine exclusively rodents with every topic theres differing opinions,its just my opinion at the end of the day and its no good making it into an even bigger thing and putting words in my mouth that i didn't even say like about green iguanas,i didn't mention iguanas
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Post by Patrick Kubeja on Nov 5, 2005 11:45:42 GMT -5
Hey Reptilianmaster and others Like I said in the last post to use your own Judgment on this, it is a good subject to Debate. But if some people agree or not, it is a matter of opinions on this, and everyone has an opinion on this. But that is what makes a Forum a Forum is that we can debate Nicely about things and still get are point across. I have heard of a lot of things causing impaction in Lizards from what they eat and for mice I would image it is possible, just like sand. But I also heard of a lot of people doing it with no problems so use your own Judgment here. If someone says they do not think it is a good idea then that is there opinion on the subject. And it should be respected! But on the other hand if someone say it is ok that is there opinion and that should be respected. Like me in iguanas there is some things that I do not agree with and some I do, but I respect the people that are telling me what they are doing and I give my opinion on it and they can agree or disagree with me with respect. So I guess what I am trying to say here is Everyone as an Opinion People can take it or leave it. But for me I would read as much as you can on the subject and talk to as many people that have experience in the subject and then weigh the percentages to see where you stand. Thanks Patrick
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Post by Marie on Nov 5, 2005 11:53:53 GMT -5
Reptilianmaster I didn't say you mentioned green iguanas but you did say "any lizard large enough" and a green iguana is a large enough llzard--they are lizards too. I just wanted the clarification made. I was giving a specific example of a lizard large enough to take a pinky. And I did state that I did not know if pinkies were good or bad for Bearded Dragons.
And I have been very interested in your opinion on the matter and we welcomed your participation. The only thing I wanted was it to be discussed/debated in the appropiate thread--this one. Not be discussed on a thread that was only someone showing off their lizard. A comment or two was enough--a debate was too much. That is the reason I locked it and asked everyone to continue it here.
I do apologize if I gave the impression that I was agreeing with Steven. I was not. Just wanted to clarify some points such as if they eat it in the wild it is good for them.
Everyone agrees with you on the pinkies except Steven. Me I am a no comment since I do not know Bearded Dragons. But if I had to choose after hearing the differing opinions, I would probably feel that feeding an occasional pinky would be ok as a treat. I am sorry you feel this was an argument. It was meant to be a discussion/debate.
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Post by Steven on Nov 5, 2005 21:30:52 GMT -5
And I respect your guy's opinions, I dont want this to be an argument either. I'm glad we all got our points out about the subject and now people can make a desicion on the information. I just want to say, I wouldn't make up the fact that beardies can die from pinkie impaction just so I can see your dragon not eating pinkies, cause that would be stupid, but all I know is that I have heard of it happening and thats all I can say. If I ever find evidence I will be glad to post it, but for now its just something you have to take and run with.
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Post by Marie on Nov 6, 2005 23:02:32 GMT -5
Zach, Well just a FYI. I was reading that on very rare occasions rodents can transfer ringworm and other parasites to a reptile. So it is best to freeze them 30 days to rid the pinky of all internal parasites. This may not be true but it wouldn't hurt to freeze them.
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Post by Steven on Nov 7, 2005 6:36:02 GMT -5
No your right Marie, mice can have parasites or other diseases so it is better to freeze the mice instead of feeding live. Thats another reason why I feed frozen/thawed to my snakes.
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Post by Marie on Nov 7, 2005 9:09:38 GMT -5
Oh that is what F/T means. Wasn't sure what it meant so didn't use it.
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Post by zachbaker on Nov 7, 2005 12:42:12 GMT -5
have heard that too and have fed them frozen before. They just dont go after it when its not moving. My dragons love it when they are teased. The movement teases the dragons into taking the pinky. I will be careful though . I only feed them each a pinky once a month.
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Post by ChamZilla on Nov 7, 2005 19:36:55 GMT -5
WOW this was quite the debate, sorry I missed it.
But I do have something to add, every breeder of every meat eating reptile (cricket, meal worm, silk worm) breeder or owner does things that others wouldn't do or feed to there animals. Some people say that pinkie mice are alright to feed to fully grown veiled chameleons also, but as I didn't think it was safe I chose not to. It all depends on your comfort level about your animals health. Some animals do it with no problems and others have problems. It is really personal choice as long as you know your animal pass's the prey item with no problems the first time. Each vet will also say differnet things about differnt prey items. It is up to us as people and owners, we all know what our pet can and can't eat for the most part. Even suggestions are great and people either take the information and use it or keep doing what has been working for them.
Thank you everyone for your input and your opinions, discussions are very healthy and we have seen what some people would and wouldn't feed there dragons. I just didn't feed pinkie's to my Chameleons as they were more of a hassle then they were a beneift for my guys. Good to know that others agree with me and some disagree. ( just on the debate of feeding a smaller lizard pinkies)
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